Received: from smtp.SLAC.Stanford.EDU by b0ig16.fnal.gov via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for id OAA26248; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:12:38 -0600 Received: from smtpserv1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (SMTPSERV1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.18.81]) by smtp.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #37476) with ESMTP id <0FS300DIUK2WRI@smtp.slac.stanford.edu> for sgeer@b0ig16.fnal.gov; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from directornt ([134.79.128.20]) by smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #37476) with SMTP id <0FS300HA9K2W5T@smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu>; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:11:20 -0800 From: Burton Richter Subject: Neutrino Factory Report -- Draft One In-reply-to: <200003241900.NAA19718@b0ig16.fnal.gov> X-Sender: BRichter@popserv.slac.stanford.edu To: sgeer@b0ig16.fnal.gov, schellman@fnal.gov Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20000327121120.00992430@popserv.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Neutrino Factory Report -- Draft One Dear Steve and Heidi: The first draft of "Physics at a Neutrino Factory" is an impressive piece of work, especially considering the short time in which all of this was pulled together. I appreciate having my name on the author list, but I really didn't do any work and it doesn't belong there. Below I make two general comments and then a few specific ones which may be only nit picking. One: leftI think it would be useful to at least have an appendix comparing the neutrino factory with what I will loosely call Minos-II. There is an intermediate step possible between the Minos program and the program of a neutrino factory. That step makes a 4 MW proton source available for neutrino production (the present Fermilab beam, if I have the numbers correct, gives about 400 kW), and creates a new detector. A neutrino factory may be an appropriate long-term goal, but a considerable amount of R&D is needed to prove its feasibility (muon cooling, for example) and it will be very expensive. A step that could be taken at Fermilab very much sooner would involve an upgrade of the Fermilab machine, probably the creation of the narrow-band beam, and a new detector. If I look at Table 1 (Page 11 of the draft) and multiply the Minos high-energy wide-band beam numbers by a factor of ten, I do better than a muon ring of 20 GeV and I think the narrow-band beam would make the comparison even more favorable. A narrow-band beam should have lower background than the wide-band horn-focused beam, possibly make muon-neutrino oscillations to electron neutrinos as detectable as oscillations to tau neutrinos are with the present Minos. I think that the rebuilds of the injector linac and the FNAL booster could be done for no more than 5% to 10% of the cost of a neutrino factory. >> This is an important point. We have tried to add a bit more to >> the end of section 3.2 to address this, although more needs to >> be done in the future ... and perhaps we will extend the study >> to address this point further. The Fermilab MI can take up to a factor >> of 4 more beam with suitable upgrades. With this and a factor >> of a few bigger detector an order of magnitude statistics can >> be imagined. However precise measurements (sin^2 2theta_23 >> and delta m^2_32) are limited by systematics ... for example on >> the flux. In addition for the atmospheric dm^2 scale one >> wants to go much further away ... 7000 km for example. In the >> long run it appears that a neutrino factory is a winner even for >> the all nu_mu physics. In the short run, an upgraded proton source >> built early on the path to a neutrino factory might well have >> solid physics payoff. Two: leftI did not find the discussions of backgrounds in the electron-neutrino physics program to be convincing. I see two problems here. It is necessary to separate electron-neutrino oscillations to muon neutrinos and tau neutrinos to get at the physics. Electron neutrinos that produce right-sign taus give rise to right-sign electrons and muons at a rate of 17% each from the tau decay. Only in the case where the electron neutrino dominantly goes into either muon or tau neutrino, is the separation relatively simple. If they are comparable, it is very messy and it will take a very special detector to separate them out. Muon-neutrino oscillations to tau neutrinos give rise to wrong-sign leptons. The muons are easily identified by a magnetic field while the electrons are not except in a very special and very difficult to build detector. Since the number of taus coming from the muon neutrinos is expected to be much larger than the number coming from electron neutrinos on the basis of what we know now, this is a very serious problem. The only relatively clean way to separate the right-sign from the wrong-sign taus that I can see is to use the one-prong hadronic decays and measure the sign of the hadrons. This is intermediate in difficulty between measuring the electron sign (nearly impossible, and measuring the muon-sign easy). >> For the popular 3-flavor mixing scenarios nu_e -> nu_tau is >> suppressed by a substantial factor compared with nu_e -> nu_mu >> (cos^2 2theta_23 c.f. sin^2 2theta_23). In addition, after >> paying for the muonic BR there is only at most a very small >> contribution from nu_e -> nu_tau in the wrong sign muon samples >> expected. This is included in some of the fits that have been >> made to study the precision with which parameters can be measured. >> There is certainly a challenge in measureing nu_e -> nu_tau, which >> requires massive (few kt) detectors that can reconstruct taus >> (to dig them out from nu_e -> nu_mu) and measure their charge >> (to separate them from nu_mu -> nu_tau). The charge sign measurement >> needs to be at the 2 - 3 sigma level to adequately fight the >> background. Three A: leftEquations 7) and 8) on Page 6 are correct as written only for muon decays at zero degrees. The problem lies in the definition of x-max. You have defined x as the fraction of the muon energy, and, even for decay angles as small as that given in Table 2 on Page 12, the maximum neutrino energy is significantly less than the muon energy. This may be nit picking. >> Thankyou for pointing this out. We have modified the text. Note >> that none of the numbers quoted in tables or plots use this >> approximation. Three B: leftThere is, I think, a related problem with Figure 1 on Page 7. The text talks about decays at zero degrees and for such decays there would be no electron anti-neutrinos for muon polarization of minus one. I think what must have happened here is that people used in the assumed angular divergence and that is what gives the flux of electron anti-neutrinos in the figure. The figure and the text can easily be brought into agreement. >> Essentially you are right. The non-zero nu_e flux for fully polarized >> muons in the figure arises because the flux is averaged over a >> finite angular region. We have added a sentence in the caption to >> clarify this. Three C: leftI am surprised at the relatively low ratio of tau neutrino to muon-neutrino cross sections at high energy shown in Figure 2 on Page 8. Far above threshold, I would expect this ratio to be nearer to one. On Page 12 you refer to another calculation that gives bigger tau yields. I would think that is a more plausible calculation and you should use it instead. >> The calculation of Casper yields 20-30% higher tau rates. >> It probably should be used in the future. I look forward to seeing the final version. Keep up the good work. >> Thankyou for your encouragement. Burt